You are absolutely correct. Classic loads are economical. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. Others Have reported some success but few have more than one or two loads. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. Bought my small handed wife a 642. A little shopping around might do better, as would casting the lead bullets. These loads are for my wife's revolver. True enough that it doesnt make power factor for Custom Defensive Pistol in IDPA or major in USPSA competition. Softer alloys of lead are just easier on the machinery. And it isnt my first rodeo with a J-frame. I estimate that the price for each of the three loads runs between $7 and $8 per box of 50. The 38 Special Ball round was designed a long time ago to comply with specifications laid down for ammo that was : 1) Compliant with the Hague Accords of 1907 in regard to "unnecessarily" injurious ammunition. Best to start a little low, and work up slowly with a chrono, though. You can't rely on this because not all variables for YOUR cases and chamber and loading length, etc. I'm still hunting for a DR load for my S&W M19-5. There seems to be a dearth of information using WST powder for the 38 Spl cartridge. Unique was a sooty powder so Ive switched to W231. of Bullseye with Lee's 125gr RN mold in a 38 special with so-so accuracy. Load shot well out of a variety of service handguns. The Bullseye powder pushed five into two inches flat for another 1911 that is typically a four-inch gun. *WAP is not best choice for .38 special, too slow and inconsistent. The only reason that my standard (everyday carry) self-defense handgun is not a .38 Special revolver is because I can conceal a semi-auto better (it isnt as fat as the cylinder on a revolver) and my semi-auto has 15 rounds of hard-hitting 180 grain bullets. Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). I only wish the brass was more available locally. The upside of the grainage is that the small charges mean more loaded rounds per pound of powderhelpful since Bullseye can take a while to reacquire once the container is empty. What are YOU shooting? Red Dot work fine for most 38 Special loads. For any loads over 900-1,000 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed bullet. . I soon traded off a Colt Frontier Scout .22 LR for an S&W Model 15 and happily chased all manner of small game and landfill targets with my stash of wadcutters. I SEE THAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT USE THE AMMO FOR D/R. Hornady Thanks for the guidance and suggestions. 38 Special Loads for Bullseye by GerhardG Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:01 am Greetings, Looking for load suggestions for 38 special LSWC 158 grain SNS bullets, red coated based on the following powders; Bullseye, Unique, N310 and N320. Do not use anything but light loads and lead bullets in these older revolvers. Im a big fan of .32 revolvers, I do think they are a superior choice for carrying and shooting than .38 is, but that doesnt mean I think .38 or .357 sucks, I just dont think theyre the best choices for a small frame revolver. Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. My Hornady 11th edition shows this for 38 Special 158 gr lead RN, LSWCHP and LSWC. I went from 2.7to 4.0 gr and nothing to speak of. There have been guns Ive bought for the caliber, but the .38 wasnt one of those. Hi. I thought the DR program was NRA, not CMP. Shot many thousands of my bullseye powder reloads with it. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. This load tends to clock about 670 feet-per-second (fps) give or take 20, depending on the exact brand of wadcutter and the revolver its fired in. Both have fed 100% in a variety of pistols and have shot very well. Use data for weight. Its just two lubed balls on top of each other with the top ball roll crimped just past the hemisphere. Bullseye is the best powder I have found for 38 special. Shoots well in my K-38, 686, and a friend's K-38 at 50 yards in the Ransom rest. With all the loads available, you can surely find one within recoil tolerance. I keep thinking about trading it for a Model 27 or, maybe, one of the new Pythons for extra weight. The other .38 Special is a 4 Colt Diamondback. I make a habit of counting the number of reloads I make by keeping a tally of primer and bullet boxes. Main issue is that the .44 spl. Be careful !!!! Agree Problem with the J frame S&W is the grips. Dont take this the wrong way; Im guessing the average age of .38 spl fans is about my age (70). I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. That little 9 oz. .38 will take care of nearly any critter that needs dispatching feral cats, raccoon, armadillo, even wait for it. I have read some posts online from people who claim that it makes no difference whether the bullets are swaged or cast; and they can be loaded to the same velocity, but the swaged bullets will lead up a barrel faster because the lead is softer. (bullseyeforum.net). The same volume of BE will weigh much more than than same volume of WST. Bullseye Handgun Powders Smokeless pistol powder Billions of rounds have been loaded with Bullseye since it was introduced in 1913. On my J frame S&W without the CT #305 Laser Grips, I swapped out to a Hoque set. ES 56 SD 24 PMC Eldorado Starfire +P 125 gr. Normal, mild .38 loads work fine with lead bullets. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. Never ransom rested it, but held 10 ring off sandbags. 3.7gr WST with Zero 158 SWC did the job for me. Good shootin! A revolver shooting .38 SPL only requires the power of your finger to make it fire and can thus be loaded with ammo that is extremely mild or hotter than hot. Just want to state for the record, that with one of the more heavy duty Corbin presses it is possible to easily swage some hard cast bullets. If youre recoil averse (and dont have a disability of some kind), its because you havent shot it enough. Think that if a .44 spl. Youd just be risking ALOT firing it in a .38 framed revolver. accuracy. The proof pressure MAP specified by SAAMI is 29,500 psi for both rounds. @ Grumpy- I tried LOTS of grips on S&W revolvers. A circa 1918 Colt gobbled them up, as did several other 1911s that can be particular about bullet profile. Last I looked still available at Brownells. (Inceptor) Diameter: 0.357" Powder: CFE Pistol (Hodgdon) Primer: WIN WSP Case: WIN Trim Length: 1.145" C.O.L. But still nothing under 3.5". Most people have one general power level for their semi-autos due to the fact that the guns wont function with ammo thats not energetic enough to cycle the slide. Accurates No. Not all guns are created equal. I meant to say NRA. THAT TIME IS BETTER SPENT LEARNING HOW TO SHOOT THE REVOLVER IN THE RAPID FIRE PORTION. I agree with your .38 Special assessment points for the very same reasons. If all you practice with is the easy comfortable stuff, its not really practice. : 1,266 1,472 Press. I'd imagine I'm not the first person to use this load, but I have found it is a very sooty/smokey load. The covered blackstrap and extended length Compac design I reckon are major factors in reducing perceived recoil. WITH THE SWAGED BULLETS REDDING SELLS A PROFILE CRIMP DIE. I bought a Ruger Alaskan in 454 Casull last year ahead of a hunt up in Wyoming. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. 41 Rem Mag 35,000 Yes I do have a few of the older high quality classic revolvers not the current made Cast Iron garbage that is being vomited out today. I like Bullseye in the 38 Special, and it was a consistent performer with the 125 grain bullets. A GI surplus 1911 that puts most loads into dinner-plate sized groups cut 3.8 inches with the classic recipewhich is probably the only time Ive gotten excited about an almost four-inch group! However, after consulting my several different manuals, 3.5 seems to be a border line max load. How does WST compare to Bullseye powder? http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/equivalents.asp. Prefer to use the CT model 305 laser grips in lieu of S&W grips. AA#2 is about the same burn rate, but burns much cleaner with less smoke in my guns. This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great. 6.) Only the Model 60 sometimes have factory installed grips that are not worthless. Despite being well over one hundred years old, it still has perfect relevance for todays shooters, both novice and advanced. There are so many new powders today, its hard to keep up. I can usually keep 1.5" groups with it at 25 yards if I do my part. These grips seem quite comfortable and afford a pinkie finger rest for improved control albeit with a certain loss of concealability. I found the plated wadcutters to have NO accuracy. Most modern revolvers chambered for .38 SPL are rated to +P, so there is room for error, but care must still be taken. Soft shooting. Instead, Ive favored things like the K and L frame Smiths (5 screw pre-model 10 and 686 in my case) and Ruger revolvers for higher round count activities. I have used everything from simple lead to the most advanced machined copper bullets and found them all to be extraordinarily easy to load and shoot. Depending on the drill, 200-grain .45s let shooter push faster or use available time to shoot better, with significantly less recoil than hardball. Hence I carry a semi-auto pistol chambered in .40 S&W. Only if you see more than one load, is it less than maximum. Anyone know where I can download a chart where all the powders burning rates (regardless of manufacturer) is listed. Through the heyday of bullseye shooting over the various match courses of fire, there was probably a Mount Rushmore-sized mountain of powder loaded and combusted 2.7 grains at a time. YMMV. I load a hard cast 125gn for my 38 special all the time. He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations. Its the kind of load that will make you fall in love with the 1911 all over again! This too is useful information. A handgunner using .38 Specials is set for targets, plinking and small game while .357 Mag. But one classic target load is not far behind the .38 wadcutter in its own reputation with target shooters: a 200-grain semiwadcutter bottling up 4.6 grains of Bullseye. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. By I picked some up from my local Scheels yesterday. Brass collection is easy since it doesnt eject. The flyers tend to be severe. Winchesters 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. Thats what the Cavalry Board asked for over a century ago, and thats what weve got. Most starting .357 reloading powder levels will fall in this .38 +P+ type reload, and the powder being used can be selected (faster or slower) based on barrel length. But I would only be caught dead with one in my hands if I had to use one for self defense (pun intended). Would you like to react to this message? The Pistol a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 The goal is two fold. But I found 2.4 and 2.7 interesting at 25 yards off the sandbags. Enter 38 Special. Unsurpassed for .45 ACP target loads. The .44 spl. 38 special was also my first cartridge to reload, and one of my greatest loves for reloading to this day. load is 4.4 grains for 38 special and 5.0 grains is a +P load. All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special. Starting being near 3gr - ish. The 38 Special, practically snubnose 38 Specials, seem to do their best work with bullets right around the 155-160 grain range. References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders Guide (1995) Hodgdons Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. The Speers do occasionally and the Magnus a little more. I once had to quote the South Carolina Supreme Court when they had spelled it loathe., Regards, Powered by Invision Community, 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. Generally, I'm looking for a load that produces accuracy from approx. The powder charges used for .38 are forgiving. In the 1950s, 60s. Modern .38 spl std HP load is more than enough, dont over think it. . Wadcutters are tailor made for lightweight snubbie practice, allowing shooters to enjoy shooting the pocket guns. Fifty yards of course is the preferred distance. These were one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. I did find a 145 grain Lead HP with a rounded ogive (like the last NyClad) on Gunbroker that opens really well if you get above 800 fps. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. Ready to load some Berry's148 gr plated DE wadcutters with Bullseye. This is good, because the snub takes a lot of practice to have a consistent capability. 110gr JHP! Some medium fast powders would work with lighter weight bullets. I haven't used any of those powders but I like faster powders in 38 Special like Titegroup and Clays. The least is usually supplied as a large cylindrical billet weighing several hundred pounds. My Lyman 49th has data for 125 gr JHP and 120 gr LRN. : 13,300 16,800 Starting Powder: 6.0 gr Starting Velocity: 1,266 At 25 you can get away with a lighter load. 110gr JHP! Do you folks think a start at 3.0 gr and work up from there with a 125 gr bullet would be a safe load. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. Your previous content has been restored. Recoil in that gun is less than most 45 ACP 1911s I have shot, and its still got around 500-600ft lbs of energy which is more than enough for feral hogs around the ranch back home. Damn. RN, 160 gr. Ive played with several that I like, but the classic in 9mm is 4.4 grains driving a 115-grain jacketed bullet. Components add up to far less than even generic grade factory ammo. I'm new to reloading, starting off with a single stage Lee press reloading .38 special and .357 magnum with Lee's 4 die carbide set. The fast powders, W231, HP38, Bullseye would go over pressure very quickly with any slight changes, in seating depth or primer change. Ive loaded some wadcutters to the point of being flush with the case mouth and big lead bullets almost to the front of the cylinder. The quality of the loads equals a bargain. Forget about it. .38 Special is a lot more comfortable in a service size revolver like my Model 10. I found it to be a nice blend of accuracy, soft recoil, and sure functioning, with enough spice behind it to reliably topple steel targets. You can fit 7.1gr of powder under the 125gn JHP bullet? Does anyone have experience with loading WST for 125 gr plates bullets or a place to start the research/testing? 10 for a full cylinder. In 38/357 they don't list 105 gr bullets, but the do list 90's and 125's. Easy enough to extrapolate for a 105 grain . Also internet references 2009, Copyright. Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. I load these bullets to the edge of the shoulder and use anywhere from 3-4 grains of TB. 148-grain wadcutter brings accuracy that begs the shooter to test their limits. Very little recoil, and grouped acceptably out to 15 yards or so. Just look for a lead remover tool with bronze screens. No. A chameleon depending on your loads and the barrel length or action its fired from. When I finally got my hands on a pound of Bullseye, I naturally started with some of these loads. for 38 special I'm guessing they still go bang, and leave the gun to go downrange. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. That isnt unique to Bullseye, but is certainly more pronounced with the relatively small charges required. 2.7 gr. Did you cross post the bullet weight? I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. Robert Frost. I carry 38 /357 every day have used them in real world shootings. Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. They are true classics, and I hope you get as much use out of them! As anyone learns quickly, first thing that needs to be done is to replace the small factory S&W grips (I use Hogue) so you can hold onto the gun. * All PLUS P loads for guns designed for it (20,000 PSI), (Cowboy loads shot in 7 1/2 bbl.revolver no need to reduce), ALL THESE LOADS ARE PLUS P, SPECIAL HOT 21,000 PSI. I am using this load in some .38 specials. Data will be standard "book" .38 Special data and I'll not attempt to "hotrod" the loads. Posted March 19, 2015. If you have a lightweight .38 or older gun, you may want to start with 10% less than max amounts listed above, and work up to the full loads. As example, 5.8 6.0 grains UNIQUE with a 125 grain HP in a snub nose .357 revolver. is a good place to start. 3.) Since it hit the market 103 years ago, it has been a staple for most handloaders and the backbone of most accuracy loads in the popular calibers. I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. I use 3 gr. looks like today. I recently bought trail boss and it runs fine out of my 14-3. It will then fit in your 38 Special gun. I dont mind it at all, though others do and look to similar performing powders that address these things. IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. How can I tell if they are cast or swaged? My Dad has advanced arthritis and could not longer easily work his auto loaders. And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. YOU WOULD BE WASTING YOUR TIME TRIMMING THE BRASS. I did 400 rounds in one afternoon on my Hornady progressive. I havent shot too many full house Casull loads, but I get a huge grin when shooting my reduced loads of 7.5grs of Trail Boss under a Cast Performance 360gr WLFN. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. These types of guns are not as strong as more modern solid frame revolvers. Between that, some other info on other forums, Winchester's data for a lead flat point, and numbers from loaddata.com, I think I have some to start with. That for just a nice shooting load one cant beat 148gr wad-cutter for pure fun. For those folks shooting a lot of lead bullets, invest in a Lewis lead remover. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. .38 special has got to be one of the best calibers there is . Groups with these loads ranged from 1.25 inches to just under two inches at 25 yards across a handful of pistols. I simply took mixed brass and ran em through the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP press with the bare minimum preparation. They have a large selection about the hard cast loads from 90 to 170 gains. Insufficient crimping ) ARCHIVED. 3 gr of WST in a 38 spl case with 125 gr plated bullet is a very light load. 38 spl.s. The only way to shoot both 9mm and .38 special is to have two separate cylinders timed to the revolver. Ok, will the bullet easily pass thru the cylinder throat, if so, you need the next larger size bullet dia. During my first half century on this planet, my caliber of choice for defense was 45 ACP- but for everything else it was always 38 SPL. Thx so it seems like for the long line I need to get some sagged bullets. Power Pistol won't work for me. I have several manuals and some say that this load is a low +p, some say it is not, but it is very accurate. And if youre doing that [shooting 158 grain bullets at 1200 fps muzzle velocity] with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. You gotta try the S&W M342 Airlight TI. I have two editions of it from different years that have that data. Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. I load it almost exclusively though with either a powder coated or plated 125 grn bullet. That one Ill keep. is limited to either the various Charter Arms models, or as a training/target load in a .44 magnum size handguns. Not sure how that translates to Bullseye powder. BrianEnos.com I just bought some 158 gr SWC bullets that are pure lead. Were all familiar with the old adage, Never bring a knife to a gunfight. And while we should, The active shooter is a relatively new phenomenon in the grand scheme of things. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company Congratulations on spelling loath right. Similar to a 9mm 124 gr RN Cast Bullet. 110gr JHP! Ive been looking for a reason to get into reloading, and am particularly intrigued by the extremely long case life of .38 Special. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. The manufacturing process of swaged bullets requires relatively soft lead for two reasons. If you havent taken a look at what the .38 Special offers, youre selling yourself short. In a nutshell & I mean very short version. The range (understandably) insisted you shoot their ammunition and the mildest they had was 158 grain LRN standard pressure. I stopped handloading around 1985, so Im not certain how much technology has changed in that area, but in general it sounds like our experiences are similar. And, oh yeah. I've tried 2.8, 3.0, and 3.2. accuracy. Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. My sq. These bullets shot to point of aim in modern S&W snubbies, but the older M10-5 was regulated with 158 grain bullets and 125's shoot low. Load it in 38 Special dies. Good point Len. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. So you only hang onto the primer boxes loosely? People who prepare usually tend to focus on the survival basics: security/self-defense, water, food, first aid, sanitation/hygiene, knowing when to get out and when to stay put. When using a 158 gr. But, with jacketed bullets that doesn't seen to be working. I don't completely understand the physics behind it. Wow I learned something vital from this topic. 2, No. My best group was .9 inch out of a Model 15. Designed in 1898, the .38 Smith & Wesson Special cartridge went on . My guess would be almost identical, straight wall, not high pressure, definitely. When I say that theres rarely a wrong way to do it, I really mean it. Coming in 30 grains lighter and 80 fps slower than hardball, as well as being lead rather than jacketed, the 200/4.6 SWC is amazingly soft. My son asked if I wanted him to help, then fired one shot and handed it back. You will find plenty of Red Dot loads there. Replaced w/ Altamont laminated wood, and later w/ open- back Pachmayrs- the less-pronounced finger grooves fit me better. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. 357 Magnum 35,000 http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/Powder.aspx?powderid=1, I also have the Berry's 125gr plated flat point bullet and I am trying to find a min and max load with unique powder. I favor the appearance of the C/T load and find it slightly easier to grab and orient in the loading process. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. A 158 SWCHP at 850-875 fps from a snub. When you say "not working" can you be more specific? Many people tend to poo-poo .38 Special (standard pressure) for self-defense as being somehow underpowered. Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. Powders include IMR, Hodgdon, Alliant, Vihtavuori, Winchester, Accurate Reloading supplies and load recipes are available everywhere. My more serious RN is the 358311 that drops @150 gr. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. Boolit Grand Master. 5 are good choices. Therefore, your platform yields a lot of safety cushion with target loads. 6.) (Same issue found with a 12 oz. Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. Times across steel plate racks and many of my standard drills with the 200-grain SWCs rival my best easy-shooting 9mm results. Alliant Pistol/Revolver Load Data: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. My personal loads for practice replicate my carry. I have not loaded plated bullets in quite some time, since they are not useful for my accuracy needs. Easy to reload and it started my reloading experience. Winchester's 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. The instructors worked magic in many cases, but having a load like this to gradually work shooters onto full-strength loads would have been a great tool. That blunt-ended bullet cut a clean hole all the way through whatever its modest velocity allowed it to penetrate. Id pay at least a dollar to see it. Just got back into reloading 38 special again after a long hiatus with no revolver, and was instantly reminded of what a joy it is to reload. It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. Even though the gun was chambered for .357 Magnum, I plinked and practiced with a lot of .38s over the years. 2 and No. In several of the guns, the old standby couldnt quite duplicate the level of precision they exhibit with current production wadcutters from Black Hills or Winchester, but in each case, the load shot close to or right on the sights and nearly held the X ring. Ive tried full metal jacket and the Hornady Action Pistol (HAP) match hollow point in this load, and both ranged from good to great in my nines. I bought him as a gift a 642 with the black rubber grips, a few speedloaders w/big knob tops, and Hornady 125 grain FTX loads. defensive ammo. I recently picked up a 396 Nightguard and am a convert to the 44 Special! Its hard to find those swaged SWCs and hollow point bullets anyone; it seems everyone is only interested in hard cast for velocity and penetration. I dont own anything in .38 special yet, but I have plans to buy a .357 magnum revolver in near future, so I already reloaded couple thousands of rounds in .38 and .357. However recoil will be the limiting factor especially for the short line. I here from quite a few that 3.5 gr of bullseye is a good load for 158 gr lead Bullets for bullseye shooting. I could knock out a pretty substantial chunk of my shooting needs with only these three loads. Bullseye and NRA Distinguished Revolver Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. 01-10-2014, 06:49 PM #4. dverna. I have done it with 38 special and 44 Mag, only to have a lead coated bore that looked like a rusty old drain pipe. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. The .38 Special's MAP is 17,000 psi, whereas for the .38 Special +P it is 20,000 psi. Testing out some bullseye with 125 berry's bullets.. Load it using wadcutter specs, and seat the bullet flush, like a wadcutter. If I get to see him shoot those loads, it would be worth the price of a new keyboard! If she had shot more, I would have probably bought another set of dies, to prevent the need for changing adjustments between the two. I have tried several different grips before finding the one that worked for me. Like almost all pistol cartridges called ".38" the .38 Special actually takes .357" diameter bullets. with #2 Lyman duplicate. i use a Lee mold 150 round nose with 4 grains of bullseye crimped into the crimp groove of the bullet. Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 9 customer ratings.

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